[libvirt-users] behaviour of "virsh shutdown domainName"

Hi all, I am experiencing some problems with different versions of libvirt (0.7.5 and 0.7.7), with a kvm (WinXP), host running Ubuntu 9.10, and i would like to ask you two questions: - In virsh, after running the command "shutdown domainName", what should be the final state of the domain, if the shutdown finishes correctly: "shutoff", "no-state", "inactive", or the domain shouldn't show in "list --all" (full clean-up)? - After the command "shutdown domainName", should i be able to run the command "start domainName", without first defining the domain? (i.e.: does shutdown "undefine" the domain?). In my experience 0.7.5 used to leave the shut down domains as defined, so i could run "start" right after. Testing in other hosts this doesn't work always like that, and even if the domain apparently shuts down correctly, the domain sometimes shows in "list --all", and sometimes it doesn't. With libvirt 0.7.7 the domain never shows in "list --all" after a successful shutdown, which makes me think it was a bug and it has been corrected. Am i missing anything? Any help would be much appreciated, thanks in advance. Jorge Somavilla.