On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 04:23:18PM +0000, bancfc(a)openmailbox.org wrote: > The single most important usability feature missed by our less technical > users who migrate from VirtualBox is a one click import/export of VMs > and their config settings. >

On 2016-03-10 15:43, Cole Robinson wrote: > On 03/10/2016 02:29 AM, Martin Kletzander wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 04:23:18PM +0000, bancfc(a)openmailbox.org >> wrote: >>> The single most important usability feature missed by our less >>> technical >>> users who migrate from VirtualBox is a one click import/export of >>> VMs >>> and their config settings. >>> > > Who are you users? I gather you work on tails/tor, name dropping the > project > and explaining the use case a bit might actually help drum up interest > :) > > - Cole Alright I'll introduce myself. I work on the Whonix Project [whonix.org] which is a Tor centric distro similar to TAILS but goes a step futher by leveraging the isolation properties of virtualizaiton for security. The setup is made up of two VMs a "Gateway" that runs Tor and which all traffic from an untrusted "Workstation" VM is forced thru it. The idea is that even if an attacker successfully roots the Workstation VM they still cannot deanonymize a user or infect the host. Its a fantastic project. You should try it and maybe even hack on it with us ;) Running on a secure and libre stack like KVM and Libvirt is awesome and wins half the battle. The rest of the way is about making the setup as easy as possible to expand the user base and to pull people away from proprietary hypervisors or fake opensource ones like VirtualBox.

The initial import process with virsh commands puts off many newbies who lack the technical skills to get up and running. This is the single most coveted feature that comes up. It would be great if you guys can make it happen at GSoC :)

On 2016-03-14 11:00, Martin Kletzander wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:32:15PM +0000, bancfc(a)openmailbox.org wrote: > > Cool, now I'm wondering whether we also mention distros that are based > on leveraging libvirt on our apps page [1] > >> The initial import process with virsh commands puts off many newbies >> who >> lack the technical skills to get up and running. This is the single >> most >> coveted feature that comes up. It would be great if you guys can make >> it >> happen at GSoC :) >> > > Since virt-v2v can already quickly do that, I'm not sure the idea is > big > enough that it would be enough for such project. It would be basically > a file chooser, button and running 'virt-v2v' with proper parameters if > I'm not mistaken. > > Martin > > [1] https://libvirt.org/apps.html I've been reading up on virt-v2v as a potential one line command solution for guest import but it seems this specific usecase is not what it was made for and this feature was ripped out: https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/importing-kvm-guests-to-ovirt-or-rh...

On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 04:23:18PM +0000, bancfc(a)openmailbox.org wrote: > The single most important usability feature missed by our less > technical > users who migrate from VirtualBox is a one click import/export of VMs > and their config settings. > > I was optimistic about the Gnome Boxes effort on Govf lib but > unfortunately it was never realized and I would hesitate to recommend > it > because libvirt/virt-manager has the security advantages of sVirt. > > An ideal solution would work across all KVM frontends. > This is a great idea, but I don't know about such one-click solution. This could be suitable for virt-manager and libguestfs projects (Cc'd both projects). If nobody grabs it right now, it could be at least suggested as GSoC and/or Outreachy project idea. Or were you looking forward to adding such solution?

Have a nice day, Martin