On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 04:55:30PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 04:49:17PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 03:22:41PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 04:02:56PM +0100, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > Am 14.01.2021 um 14:59 hat Daniel P. Berrangé geschrieben:
> > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 01:52:34PM +0000, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 01:59:43PM -0500, John Snow wrote:
> > > > > > On 1/13/21 3:53 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 9:10 PM John Snow
<jsnow(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > 2. Ability to watch QMP activity on a running QEMU
process, e.g. even
> > > > > > > when libvirt is directly connected to the monitor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That *WOULD* be extremely cool, and moves a lot closer to
how mitmproxy
> > > > > > works.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (Actually, mitmproxy could theoretically be taught how to
read and
> > > > > > understand QMP traffic, but that's not something I know
how to do or would
> > > > > > be prepared to mentor.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this possible to do in a post-hoc fashion? Let's say
you are using
> > > > > > production environment QEMU, how do we attach the QMP
listener to it? Or
> > > > > > does this idea require that we start QEMU in a specific
fashion with a
> > > > > > second debug socket that qmp-shell can connect to in order
to listen?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ... Or do we engineer qmp-shell to open its own socket that
libvirt connects
> > > > > > to ...?
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the QEMU command-line that libvirt uses on my F33
system:
> > > > >
> > > > > -chardev socket,id=charmonitor,fd=36,server,nowait
> > > > > -mon chardev=charmonitor,id=monitor,mode=control
> > > > >
> > > > > Goals for this feature:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. No manual steps required for setup.
> > > > > 2. Ability to start/stop monitoring traffic at runtime without
> > > > > restarting QEMU.
> > > > > 3. Available to unprivileged users.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the easiest way to achieve this is through a new QEMU
monitor
> > > > > command. Approaches that come to mind:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Add a -mon debug-chardev property and a QMP command to set it
at
> > > > > runtime. The debug-chardev receives both monitor input
(commands) and
> > > > > output (responses and events). This does not allow MITM,
rather it
> > > > > mirrors traffic.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Add a chardev-get-fd command that fetches the fd from a
chardev and
> > > > > then use the existing chardev-change command to replace the
monitor
> > > > > chardev with a chardev connected to qmp-shell. This inserts
qmp-shell
> > > > > as a proxy between the QMP client and server. qmp-shell can
remove
> > > > > itself again with another chardev-change command. This
approach
> > > > > allows MITM. The downside is it assumes the QMP chardev is a
file
> > > > > descriptor, so it won't work with all types of chardev.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Add a new chardev-proxy type that aggregates 3 chardevs: 1.
an origin
> > > > > source chardev, 2. a monitoring sink chardev, and 3. a
monitoring
> > > > > source chardev. The data flow is origin <-> monitoring
sink <->
> > > > > monitoring source <-> QMP monitor. qmp-shell creates
the monitoring
> > > > > sink (for receiving incoming QMP commands) and monitoring
source
> > > > > chardev (for forwarding QMP commands or MITM commands), and
then it
> > > > > uses change-chardev to instantiate a chardev-proxy that
directs the
> > > > > original libvirt chardev through the monitoring sink and
source.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the most complex but also completely contained within
the
> > > > > QEMU chardev layer.
> > >
> > > I have an idea for the QMP command name: chardev-snapshot-sync!
> > >
> > > Finally we get backing file chains for chardevs! :-)
> > >
> > > > > In all these approaches qmp-shell uses virsh
qemu-monitor-command or an
> > > > > equivalent API to start/stop monitoring a running VM without
manual
> > > > > setup steps.
> > > >
> > > > Why go to the trouble of adding more chardevs to a running QEMU that
> > > > libvirt has. qmp-shell can just directly use the libvirt Python API
> > > > to invoke virDomainQemuMonitorCommand to invoke QMP commands, and
> > > > the othe API for receiving QMP events.
> > > >
> > > > Essentially it just needs to be split into two layers. The upper
> > > > layer works in terms of individual QMP command/replies, and QMP
> > > > events. The lower layer provides a transport that is either a
> > > > UNIX socket, or is the libvirt QMP passthrough API.
> > > >
> > > > Or alternatively, provide a virt-qmp-shim command that listens on
> > > > a UNIX socket, accepts QMP commands and turns them into calls to
> > > > virDomainQemuMonitorCommand, and funnells back the response.
> > >
> > > I think the idea was to show the QMP traffic that libvirt produces for
> > > other management applications, not for the QMP shell. These APIs
> > > probably don't allow this?
> >
> > FWIW if you want to monitor what libvirt is sending/receiving we have
> > a script for that that uses our systemtap probe points:
> >
> >
https://gitlab.com/libvirt/libvirt/-/blob/master/examples/systemtap/qemu-...
>
> Does that require root?
Yeah, systemtap generally requires root.
The same info is also written to the log files. For example:
virt-admin daemon-log-filters "2:qemu_monitor_json"
virt-admin daemon-lop-outputs "2:file:/var/log/libvirt/libvirtd.log"
nb, i'm using level '2' there to avoid enabling debug logs, only
info level logs which is the level dynamic probes log at.
On my F33 system /var/log/libvirt is owned by root:root and rwx------,
so I guess it would be necessary to reconfigure log output so that
unprivileged users can access it.
If it can be used in conjunction with virDomainQemuMonitorCommand(),
then that eliminates the need to introduce new chardev functionality in
QEMU.
Parsing libvirt logs was one of the things I suggested, though. I think
it would be a nice feature for troubleshooting QMP conversations.
Stefan