OK, either I have taken a stupid pill and am missing something basic or routed network do not work. I assume that, if they did work, it would be in more or less that same manner as a nat network as far as ping'ing, ssh'ing, etc. to another real host on the same real LAN as the virtualization host. At least that is what I believe I should expect. I have googled for info and everything says that it should work. On of the referenced documents was this: http://berrange.com/posts/2009/12/13/routed-subnets-without-nat-for-libvi... I checked through everything and it all matches what is in the document. I can go from the guest to the host (ping, ssh, etc) but not from that guest to another real host on the same real LAN. I am patching the relevant info below: ---------------------------------- net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding = 1 net.ipv4.conf.p32p1.forwarding = 1 net.ipv4.conf.virbr8.forwarding = 1 -------------------------------- <network> <name>routed</name> <uuid>1b2a0197-e708-165c-f266-6822e73cfbdd</uuid> <forward dev='p32p1' mode='route'> <interface dev='p32p1'/> </forward> <bridge name='virbr8' stp='on' delay='0' /> <mac address='52:54:00:B9:59:49'/> <domain name='routed'/> <ip address='192.168.123.1' netmask='255.255.255.0'> <dhcp> <range start='192.168.123.128' end='192.168.123.254' /> </dhcp> </ip> </network> ------------------------------- Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 ACCEPT udp -- virbr8 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 udp dpt:53 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- virbr8 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:53 0 0 ACCEPT udp -- virbr8 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 udp dpt:67 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- virbr8 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:67 Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 ACCEPT all -- p32p1 virbr8 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.123.0/24 0 0 ACCEPT all -- virbr8 p32p1 192.168.123.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 0 0 ACCEPT all -- virbr8 virbr8 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0 0 REJECT all -- * virbr8 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-port-unreachable 0 0 REJECT all -- virbr8 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-port-unreachable ------------------------------ This is Fedora 17 with an updated libvirt 0.10.1-4.fc17 [another system with the same "problem" is running libvirt 0.10.2-1.fc17]. Anyone know what is going on? BTW, I searched bugzilla for the comment containing the string routed filed against packages libvirt, qemu, qemu-kvm, or kvm ...Result .. no hits! If this is really a bug rather than something I did or did not do, then nobody is using routed virtual networks. BTW, I have a real F17 systems sitting between to networks on two different NICs and it routes things nicely, thank you very much. It does work but not for the virtual networks. I would really like it to be something I am missing. Gene