Re: [libvirt-users] dramatic performance slowdown due to THP allocation failure with full pagecache
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:23:56AM -0700, Blair Bethwaite wrote:
Hi all,
This is not really a libvirt issue but I'm hoping some of the smart folks
here will know more about this problem...
We have noticed when running some HPC applications on our OpenStack
(libvirt+KVM) cloud that the same application occasionally performs much
worse (4-5x slowdown) than normal. We can reproduce this quite easily by
filling pagecache (i.e. dd-ing a single large file to /dev/null) before
running the application. The problem seems to be that the kernel is not
freeing (or has some trouble freeing) the non-dirty and (presumably
immediately) reclaimable pagecache in order to allocate THPs for the
application.
This behaviour is also observable on regular bare-metal, but the slowdown
is only 10-20% there - the nested paging of the guest really makes THP
allocation important there (1). Both current CentOS and Ubuntu guests have
the issue. Some more environmental context: the VMs are tuned (CPU pinning,
NUMA topology, hugepage backing), so we normally see no difference between
host and guest performance.
After talking to many other colleagues in the HPC space it seems common
that people setup their batch schedulers to put drop_caches between jobs,
which can help to workaround this and other similar issues, but no-one has
been able to explain why this is happening. Hopefully someone who knows
about the guts of the Linux MM can shed some light...?
Transparent huge pages were never intended to provide any guarantees of
performance for applications. They are essentially an optimization so that if
there is free RAM, huge pages can be opportunistically given to a process even
if it didn't ask for them. This gives KVM some improved performance in the
default "out of the box" scenario where the user hasn't taken time to
manually
optimize setting.
The kernel can't predict the future usage pattern of processes so it is not at
all clear cut that evicting the entire pagecache in order to allocate more
huge pages is going to be beneficial for system performance as a whole.
IOW, if your application has a certain expectation of performance that can only
be satisfied by having the KVM guest backed by huge pages, then you should
really change to explicitly reserve huge pages for the guests, and not rely on
THP which inherantly can't provide any guarantee in this area.
(1) a related and possibly dumb question: in the case of a
high-performance
KVM where the guest is hugepage backed and pinned in host memory anyway,
why do we still have a table based resolution for guest physical to host
virtual address translation - couldn't this just be done by offset?
Regards,
Daniel
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