[libvirt-users] Routed network w/o libvirt adding iptables rules

Hello In the case of a "routed" libvirt network, is there a way to prevent libvirt from adding *any* iptables rules? Or at least to stop libvirt from inserting its rules at the *top* of the chains (which renders previously inserted rules useless)? I have VPN tunnels connecting VMs with each other and with clients, and the default rules generated by libvirt are not right for my use case. The firewall rulesets i actually need are quite simple. I am very happy to manage them outside libvirt. I am thinking of replacing /sbin/iptables with a dummy, but that is a last ressort which i hope is not necessary. Please advise /nils. PS: See also long standing libvirt issues: * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533193 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689377