[libvirt] announce mailing list
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, not a long time ago there was information about announce mailing list. One or two things ... :) 1] how can one sign-up into this list? I've been greeted with reply "mail is blocked for this user" or something like that :) 2] announce mailing list is not mentioned at http://www.libvirt.org/contact.html#email ; I know it's been Christmas time and yes, I'm even willing/signing up for filling bug in bugzilla, if needed. Just write a word. Thank you and nice Sunday to all, Zdenek - -- Zdenek Styblik Net/Linux admin OS TurnovFree.net email: stybla@turnovfree.net jabber: stybla@jabber.turnovfree.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0gMVAACgkQ8MreUbSH7ik3mgCfSd0cXuUL1agNR1/H4gSYnWCF W9gAoMrr+YSZhZtIuTBvzV0qqLkieOw2 =Jp+b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 09:03:28AM +0100, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
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Hi,
not a long time ago there was information about announce mailing list. One or two things ... :)
1] how can one sign-up into this list? I've been greeted with reply "mail is blocked for this user" or something like that :)
Hum, weird, I need to check that !
2] announce mailing list is not mentioned at http://www.libvirt.org/contact.html#email ; I know it's been Christmas time and yes, I'm even willing/signing up for filling bug in bugzilla, if needed. Just write a word.
Well I wanted to try out the new list before mentionning it myself, it's on my TODO list for the coming week :-) Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | libxml Gnome XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ daniel@veillard.com | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/ http://veillard.com/ | virtualization library http://libvirt.org/
On 01/02/2011 02:41 PM, Daniel Veillard wrote:
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 09:03:28AM +0100, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
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Hi,
not a long time ago there was information about announce mailing list. One or two things ... :)
1] how can one sign-up into this list? I've been greeted with reply "mail is blocked for this user" or something like that :)
Hum, weird, I need to check that !
<libvirt-announce@redhat.com>: host mx1.redhat.com[209.132.183.28] said: 550 5.2.1 <libvirt-announce@redhat.com>... Mailbox disabled for this recipient (in reply to RCPT TO command) On 23rd of December 2010 :)
2] announce mailing list is not mentioned at http://www.libvirt.org/contact.html#email ; I know it's been Christmas time and yes, I'm even willing/signing up for filling bug in bugzilla, if needed. Just write a word.
Well I wanted to try out the new list before mentionning it myself, it's on my TODO list for the coming week :-)
No worries. I'm just being curious (and pesky) :) Zdenek -- Zdenek Styblik Net/Linux admin OS TurnovFree.net email: stybla@turnovfree.net jabber: stybla@jabber.turnovfree.net
On 03/01/2011, at 12:49 AM, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
On 01/02/2011 02:41 PM, Daniel Veillard wrote:
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 09:03:28AM +0100, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
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Hi,
not a long time ago there was information about announce mailing list. One or two things ... :)
1] how can one sign-up into this list? I've been greeted with reply "mail is blocked for this user" or something like that :)
Hum, weird, I need to check that !
<libvirt-announce@redhat.com>: host mx1.redhat.com[209.132.183.28] said: 550 5.2.1 <libvirt-announce@redhat.com>... Mailbox disabled for this recipient (in reply to RCPT TO command)
Interesting. If you go to it's (fairly new) mailman page here, does it let you subscribe? https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvirt-announce Should also be able to get the libvirt.org contact page updated today or tomorrow with it too. :) Regards and best wishes, Justin Clift
On 01/04/2011 10:02 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
On 03/01/2011, at 12:49 AM, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
On 01/02/2011 02:41 PM, Daniel Veillard wrote:
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 09:03:28AM +0100, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Hi,
not a long time ago there was information about announce mailing list. One or two things ... :)
1] how can one sign-up into this list? I've been greeted with reply "mail is blocked for this user" or something like that :)
Hum, weird, I need to check that !
<libvirt-announce@redhat.com>: host mx1.redhat.com[209.132.183.28] said: 550 5.2.1 <libvirt-announce@redhat.com>... Mailbox disabled for this recipient (in reply to RCPT TO command)
Interesting. If you go to it's (fairly new) mailman page here, does it let you subscribe?
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvirt-announce
Should also be able to get the libvirt.org contact page updated today or tomorrow with it too. :)
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
Yep, subscribing via mailman page works. Thank you Justin. Regards, Zdenek -- Zdenek Styblik Net/Linux admin OS TurnovFree.net email: stybla@turnovfree.net jabber: stybla@jabber.turnovfree.net
On 01/02/2011 06:41 AM, Daniel Veillard wrote:
1] how can one sign-up into this list? I've been greeted with reply "mail is blocked for this user" or something like that :)
Hum, weird, I need to check that !
2] announce mailing list is not mentioned at http://www.libvirt.org/contact.html#email ; I know it's been Christmas time and yes, I'm even willing/signing up for filling bug in bugzilla, if needed. Just write a word.
Well I wanted to try out the new list before mentionning it myself, it's on my TODO list for the coming week :-)
I've seen some projects (at least zsh comes to mind) where mailing lists are nested - posting to the announce list can only be done by project managers, but that post is instantly received on all three lists; anyone can post to the users or devel list, but posts to the user list are automatically received on both user and devel list. Therefore, a developer need only subscribe to the devel list to see the traffic from all three lists. Is that sort of setup worth doing with the three libvirt lists (that is, make libvirt-list subscribe to libvirt-announce and libvirt-users traffic, and make libvirt-users subscribe to libvirt-announce traffic)? -- Eric Blake eblake@redhat.com +1-801-349-2682 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org
On 05/01/2011, at 6:08 AM, Eric Blake wrote: <snip>
I've seen some projects (at least zsh comes to mind) where mailing lists are nested - posting to the announce list can only be done by project managers, but that post is instantly received on all three lists; anyone can post to the users or devel list, but posts to the user list are automatically received on both user and devel list. Therefore, a developer need only subscribe to the devel list to see the traffic from all three lists.
Is that sort of setup worth doing with the three libvirt lists (that is, make libvirt-list subscribe to libvirt-announce and libvirt-users traffic, and make libvirt-users subscribe to libvirt-announce traffic)?
Interesting idea. Can see that having the user and developer mailing lists automatically getting the announce list traffic would be useful. Not sure about the developer mailing list getting user traffic. What happens to responses by a developer back to the dev mailing list? How does it get back to the user that asked, and the user mailing list?
The 05/01/11, Justin Clift wrote:
Interesting idea. Can see that having the user and developer mailing lists automatically getting the announce list traffic would be useful.
Not sure about the developer mailing list getting user traffic.
User traffic can led to patches. This is why nested mailing lists are usefull.
What happens to responses by a developer back to the dev mailing list? How does it get back to the user that asked, and the user mailing list?
User posts and answers happen to the user mailing list, even if the answers come from the developer mailing list. But as the developer mailing list get the user traffic, you got your answers back to the developer mailing list too. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
On 05/01/2011, at 7:56 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
The 05/01/11, Justin Clift wrote:
Interesting idea. Can see that having the user and developer mailing lists automatically getting the announce list traffic would be useful.
Not sure about the developer mailing list getting user traffic.
User traffic can led to patches. This is why nested mailing lists are usefull.
What happens to responses by a developer back to the dev mailing list? How does it get back to the user that asked, and the user mailing list?
User posts and answers happen to the user mailing list, even if the answers come from the developer mailing list. But as the developer mailing list get the user traffic, you got your answers back to the developer mailing list too.
Yeah, might be an interesting thing to try. I'm certainly not against it. :)
On 01/05/2011 10:03 AM, Justin Clift wrote:
On 05/01/2011, at 7:56 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
The 05/01/11, Justin Clift wrote:
Interesting idea. Can see that having the user and developer mailing lists automatically getting the announce list traffic would be useful.
Not sure about the developer mailing list getting user traffic.
User traffic can led to patches. This is why nested mailing lists are usefull.
What happens to responses by a developer back to the dev mailing list? How does it get back to the user that asked, and the user mailing list?
User posts and answers happen to the user mailing list, even if the answers come from the developer mailing list. But as the developer mailing list get the user traffic, you got your answers back to the developer mailing list too.
Yeah, might be an interesting thing to try. I'm certainly not against it. :)
-- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
Wouldn't make more sense simply to sign up for both mailing lists, instead of mirroring them to each other? I fail to see the point of having N mirrored mailing lists then, but just the one. Z. -- Zdenek Styblik Net/Linux admin OS TurnovFree.net email: stybla@turnovfree.net jabber: stybla@jabber.turnovfree.net
On 01/05/2011 10:08 AM, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
On 01/05/2011 10:03 AM, Justin Clift wrote: [...] Wouldn't make more sense simply to sign up for both mailing lists, instead of mirroring them to each other? I fail to see the point of having N mirrored mailing lists then, but just the one.
Z.
As of original proposal: On 12/01/2010 07:47 PM, Justin Clift wrote:
Concept wise, do you reckon something like this would work:
+ a new libvirt-announce mailing list, low trafic, purely for release announcements and similar
Along with us announcing a '"release candidate" build through it (instead of the present approach). If it looks good after a period of time (a week or something as you mentioned), then it gets re-released as the actual release.
Z. -- Zdenek Styblik Net/Linux admin OS TurnovFree.net email: stybla@turnovfree.net jabber: stybla@jabber.turnovfree.net
The 05/01/11, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
On 01/05/2011 10:08 AM, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
On 01/05/2011 10:03 AM, Justin Clift wrote: [...] Wouldn't make more sense simply to sign up for both mailing lists, instead of mirroring them to each other? I fail to see the point of having N mirrored mailing lists then, but just the one.
Z.
As of original proposal:
On 12/01/2010 07:47 PM, Justin Clift wrote:
Concept wise, do you reckon something like this would work:
+ a new libvirt-announce mailing list, low trafic, purely for release announcements and similar
Nested lists goes a bit forwoard than that. It permits the users to have developers help for their issues without having the traffic dedicated to the development. It also help developers to stand near from the users. So, it doesn't aim to mirror other lists. In practice, nested lists appear to be very usefull. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
On 01/05/2011 02:08 AM, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
What happens to responses by a developer back to the dev mailing list? How does it get back to the user that asked, and the user mailing list?
That's one of the tricks/drawbacks. If you don't do reply-to munging during the list nesting (and I generally dislike reply-to munging), then that throws the burden onto the developer to choose the correct list to reply to. Reply-to munging might solve things (a list forwarded to the dev list rather than sent directly there would reply back to the user list), but I don't know if mailman is set up to provide that easily, and it feels a bit dirty.
Wouldn't make more sense simply to sign up for both mailing lists, instead of mirroring them to each other?
But here, the burden is on developers to subscribe to three lists, rather than just one, to see all traffic. Then again, there's few enough developers that requiring developers to simulate the nesting by doing multiple subscriptions, rather than automating it at the list level, might not be too bad after all. And in fact, that's the status quo for how the lists are set up today. -- Eric Blake eblake@redhat.com +1-801-349-2682 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/04/11 20:08, Eric Blake wrote: [...]
I've seen some projects (at least zsh comes to mind) where mailing lists are nested - posting to the announce list can only be done by project managers, but that post is instantly received on all three lists; anyone can post to the users or devel list, but posts to the user list are automatically received on both user and devel list. Therefore, a developer need only subscribe to the devel list to see the traffic from all three lists.
Is that sort of setup worth doing with the three libvirt lists (that is, make libvirt-list subscribe to libvirt-announce and libvirt-users traffic, and make libvirt-users subscribe to libvirt-announce traffic)?
Heya, I think libvirt-announce should be still open for subscription; read-only by everyone except, dunno, eg. project managers whom can post announces; and libvirt-announce traffic to be redirected to libvirt-*. Why? Because there might be people whom are not interested in -list nor - -users, just announces eg. new version is out. I thought that was original idea of this thing. Oh yes, and take it as suggestion/seen somewhere else thing. Damn, I have to work on my social skills/social side. Have a nice day, Zdenek - -- Zdenek Styblik Net/Linux admin OS TurnovFree.net email: stybla@turnovfree.net jabber: stybla@jabber.turnovfree.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0jeE0ACgkQ8MreUbSH7ikmywCggeq1uW0ynyfhoWubH3ZQGmOD +oQAn2QgJPnEoElwrm7kiYtku4mzFH+7 =U9jv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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