[libvirt] some questions about libvirt features and limitations
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone, I'm working on a open source project (http://www.hynesim.org) in which we needed libvirt-like functionalities. As at the time, libvirt did not support OpenVZ, and it did not support VirtualBox, we went and implemented our own wrappers around Kvm/Qemu, VirtualBox and OpenVz (Honeyd too, but our wrapper is such an ugly hack that it doesn't really deserve mention). Now that time has passed, we'd would like to stop duplicating efforts, and use libvirt instead, and concentrate on more innovating functionalities for Hynesim. Also our wrappers are terrible hacks, and do a lot less error checking than libvirt :) But before I can replace our wrappers with libvirt, we're missing some functionalities (that I will propose a patch for if required), and there are a few questions concerning libvirt I've not managed to find an answer for, so I'd be very grateful if I could get some advice on them. Here goes: ------- Is it possible to add a device for any type of domain that would correspond to a TAP device on the host, and would be seen as a regular ethernet interface with a specific MAC address in the virtualized domain ? The "raw" commands to achieve that in OpenVZ and Qemu, for example, are: # kvm ... -net nic,macaddr=00:11:22:33:44:55 -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no # vzctl set 100 --netif_add eth0,00:11:22:33:44:55,tap0 Is that doable in every driver supported by libvirt ? ------- Is the libvirtd daemon necessary for drivers other than Qemu ? I've been using the openvz driver alone for some tests (by connecting to "openvz:///system"), and yet I get warning messages: # sudo ./hellolibvirt openvz:///system Attempting to connect to hypervisor libvir: Remote error : unable to connect to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory libvir: warning : Failed to find the network: Is the daemon running ? libvir: Remote error : unable to connect to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory libvir: Remote error : unable to connect to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory libvir: warning : Failed to find a node driver: Is the libvirtd daemon running ? Connected to hypervisor at "openvz:///system" Hypervisor: "OpenVZ" version: 3.0.22 There are 0 active and 1 inactive domains Inactive domains: 897 Disconnected from hypervisor The libvirtd daemon is indeed not running, as I don't see why it should be: I thought it was only useful for qemu guests. Am I right ? What is the role of the daemon exactly ? ------- Apparently the only way to start an OpenVZ domain is by specifying a template. Only problem is, when the VE is stopped, and undefined, all modifications are lost in the "private" file system of the VE (as it is deleted). The way we circumvented this in Hynesim is by specifying the - --private option to "vzctl create" instead of the --ostemplate one. That way one can specify a dir that will be used directly as the filesystem for the VE. I was thinking maybe adding something along the lines of: <filesystem type='directory'> <source name='/path/to/ve/filesystem' /> <target dir='/'/> </filesystem> would do the trick. It looks simple enough to implement, so should I ? ------- Is there support in libvirt of "cloning" (duplicating a VM disk /filesystem) ? ------- Someone mentioned a VirtualBox driver. I'm highly interested in this. How is it going ? I'd be more than happy to beta test if required. Will it work with both PUEL and OSE versions ? When will it be ready for inclusion in libvirt ? How will you handle RDP access, as from what I saw only VNC is supported in libvirt currently ? ------- And last but not least, what are "node devices" ? The two pages about it are blank in the documentation. Are they the host machine, or a device of the host machine ? ------- I think that's all. Thank you for reading all this, Florian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmtcBwACgkQgRp+dNkqn68FjQCcDhoy0YuhUM37iRc2cbyDdh1N hE8AoKSAhoZJ7cSQ8zWSXr9XiOytTuLK =LSi9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi Florian,
Someone mentioned a VirtualBox driver. I'm highly interested in this. How is it going ? I'd be more than happy to beta test if required. Will it work with both PUEL and OSE versions ? When will it be ready for inclusion in libvirt ? How will you handle RDP access, as from what I saw only VNC is supported in libvirt currently ?
I am currently working on Virtualbox driver and they are still in nascent stage of development. Yes they will support both the versions cause they depend on the Common Main VirtualBox API. About inclusion in libvirt, that will depend on the libvirt community, as I would submit the patches but only on review/ack by all they will pass on upstream. Not reached the stage of deciding on RDP/VNC yet but any help in it will be appreciated. Regards, -pritesh
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:28:56AM +0100, Pritesh Kothari wrote:
Hi Florian,
Someone mentioned a VirtualBox driver. I'm highly interested in this. How is it going ? I'd be more than happy to beta test if required. Will it work with both PUEL and OSE versions ? When will it be ready for inclusion in libvirt ? How will you handle RDP access, as from what I saw only VNC is supported in libvirt currently ?
I am currently working on Virtualbox driver and they are still in nascent stage of development.
Yes they will support both the versions cause they depend on the Common Main VirtualBox API.
About inclusion in libvirt, that will depend on the libvirt community, as I would submit the patches but only on review/ack by all they will pass on upstream.
We'd very much like to see VirtualBox suported as a driver in libvirt because its a pretty popular open source virt technology and there have been quite a few feature requests from users for it to be included.
Not reached the stage of deciding on RDP/VNC yet but any help in it will be appreciated.
I see no problem in supporting RDP as an option for VirtualBox. We already have two possible <graphics> tags <graphics type='sdl' display=":0.0" xauth="/root/.Xauthority"/> And <graphics type='vnc' listen='0.0.0.0' port='5901' autoport='yes'/> So we can easily add another option for RDP, which I'd guess would be very similar to the VNC options, since its another client/server network based system <graphics type='rdp' listen='0.0.0.0' port='5901' autoport='yes'/> Regards, Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :|
Hi Daniel,
We'd very much like to see VirtualBox suported as a driver in libvirt because its a pretty popular open source virt technology and there have been quite a few feature requests from users for it to be included.
I have an very rough snapshot working just for creating/destroying/listing machines. Is there any way I can find out that if i am in the right direction with it? maybe i can send the patch directly to someone for review (the code is very basic and i don't directly want to submit it to list yet) Regards, -pritesh
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 01:55:56PM +0100, Pritesh Kothari wrote:
Hi Daniel,
We'd very much like to see VirtualBox suported as a driver in libvirt because its a pretty popular open source virt technology and there have been quite a few feature requests from users for it to be included.
I have an very rough snapshot working just for creating/destroying/listing machines. Is there any way I can find out that if i am in the right direction with it? maybe i can send the patch directly to someone for review (the code is very basic and i don't directly want to submit it to list yet)
Certainly feel free to send it to the list for review whenever you have something interesting you want feedback on. There's no requirement for it to be finished / fully functional, looking at work in progress code can help spot problems early Regards, Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :|
Hi All, I have attached a patch which when applied on the HEAD would allow virtualbox support in libvirt. The steps to apply patch are: tar -zxvf vbox-patch.tar.gz git-apply vbox-patch The patch works very well with the VirtualBox OSE svn HEAD and is supposed to support VirtualBox 2.2 onwards both editions. If anyone wants to run it on current VirtualBox OSE svn HEAD (2.1.51_OSE r17375) then the steps are as follows: 1)After compiling and installing VBox OSE you need to copy the file out/linux.amd64/debug/bin/VBoxXPCOMC.so to the install directory. 2) export VBOX_APP_HOME=<install dir> 3) run virsh to connect to virtualbox as below: virsh -c vbox:///session Regards, Pritesh
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 04:27:53PM +0100, Pritesh Kothari wrote:
Hi All,
I have attached a patch which when applied on the HEAD would allow virtualbox support in libvirt.
The steps to apply patch are: tar -zxvf vbox-patch.tar.gz git-apply vbox-patch
Minor point for next time - it'd make it a little quicker to review if could just attach the plain vbox.patch file directly to the mail. If it hits the maximum attachment size allowed by mailman, one of us can easily approve the mail, or just split it into sections.
The patch works very well with the VirtualBox OSE svn HEAD and is supposed to support VirtualBox 2.2 onwards both editions.
If anyone wants to run it on current VirtualBox OSE svn HEAD (2.1.51_OSE r17375) then the steps are as follows:
1)After compiling and installing VBox OSE you need to copy the file out/linux.amd64/debug/bin/VBoxXPCOMC.so to the install directory. 2) export VBOX_APP_HOME=<install dir> 3) run virsh to connect to virtualbox as below: virsh -c vbox:///session
I'm not too familiar with virtualbox - am I right in thinking that each user can run their own set of virtual machines, independantly of others If so, then your choice of URLs vbox:///session fits perfectly :-) I've had a quick look at the patch & it basically looks to be developing well. I will just list a few pretty minor suggestions or questions here for now, rather than doing a full inline patch review. - There's a few places using of malloc/realloc/free, rather than VIR_ALLOC/REALLOC_N/FREE. - There's a couple of places doing sizeof(s_aSyms) / sizeof(s_aSyms[0]) In util.h, there is a convenient macro ARRAY_CARDINAILITY(s_aSyms) that lets you do this - The general integration bits you've done in Makefile.am, src/libvirt.c configure.ac and src/virterror.c all look correct - Does the src/vbox/VBoxCAPI_v2_2.h file need to be present in the source tree ? I would have expected the VirtualBox-devel RPm (or equivalent to be providing the header file definitions for the API interface, but perhaps I'm mis-understanding the purpose of this file - I'm curious as to why you're changing the UUID format in nsIDtoChar, switching the positions of bytes in the UUID ? + uuidstrdst[0] = uuidstrsrc[6]; + uuidstrdst[1] = uuidstrsrc[7]; + uuidstrdst[2] = uuidstrsrc[4]; + uuidstrdst[3] = uuidstrsrc[5]; + uuidstrdst[4] = uuidstrsrc[2]; + uuidstrdst[5] = uuidstrsrc[3]; + uuidstrdst[6] = uuidstrsrc[0]; + uuidstrdst[7] = uuidstrsrc[1]; - When creating virDomainPtr objects, rather than directly allocating them, and then setting the id, uuid, and name fields, we have a helper method in src/datatypes.h you can use: virDomainPtr virGetDomain(virConnectPtr conn, const char *name, const unsigned char *uuid); This avoids the need to worry about the fine details of the ref counting & caching associated with these objects. So generally shouldn't directly access the conn->domains hash table from driver code. - The vboxGetDomainGetOSType() method shouldn't actually return the name of the guest operating system. This is one of the badly named libvirt methods. What it is actually intended for is to give the name of the guest operating system hypervisor ABI. Since VirtualBox is a fully-virtualized hypervisor, it should always just return 'hvm' for the OS type. - The vboxCapsInit() should also pass 'hvm' as the OS type field, rather than 'exe'which is for container based virt like OpenVZ. Also in that method, "sizeof(int) == 4 ? 32 : 8" - i think that 8 should probably be 64 :-) - In the vboxGetDomainDefineXML(), there's a couple of places accessing def->features bits - you could use the VIR_DOMAIN_FEATURE_* enums for those. - Since VirtualBox is a local machine driver, there's probably no need to register virNetworkDriver, virStorageDriver, virDeviceMonitor driver structs with libvirt. Just let the generic shared implementation activate - we re-use this shared network & storage impl across all our drivers at this time. Then again if the VirtualBox API provides explicit APIs for managing LVM, SCSI, iSCSI storage and NAT based networks, then perhaps it would be worth having an impl of these drivers for VirtualBox. I'd still just leave them out for now though, until the main VirtualBox hypervisor APIs are more developed. All in all, it looks like you've got a pretty good understanding of what to do with VirtualBox for libvirt driver support. Look forward to seeing future versions of the patch... Regards, Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :|
Hi Daniel,
Minor point for next time - it'd make it a little quicker to review if could just attach the plain vbox.patch file directly to the mail. If it hits the maximum attachment size allowed by mailman, one of us can easily approve the mail, or just split it into sections.
Sorry, would this from next time.
I'm not too familiar with virtualbox - am I right in thinking that each user can run their own set of virtual machines, independantly of others If so, then your choice of URLs vbox:///session fits perfectly
yes, in virtualbox each user can run their own machines.
I've had a quick look at the patch & it basically looks to be developing well. I will just list a few pretty minor suggestions or questions here for now, rather than doing a full inline patch review.
Thanks
- There's a few places using of malloc/realloc/free, rather than VIR_ALLOC/REALLOC_N/FREE.
- There's a couple of places doing sizeof(s_aSyms) / sizeof(s_aSyms[0]) In util.h, there is a convenient macro ARRAY_CARDINAILITY(s_aSyms) that lets you do this
Will take care of above two points.
- Does the src/vbox/VBoxCAPI_v2_2.h file need to be present in the source tree ? I would have expected the VirtualBox-devel RPm (or equivalent to be providing the header file definitions for the API interface, but perhaps I'm mis-understanding the purpose of this file
The reason is that this way the libvirt implementation is self contained and VirtualBox support can be enabled by default. The second reason is that the VirtualBox API tends to change in incompatible ways so future libvirt patches will be able to deal with multiple versions of VirtualBox and therefore also have multiple header files.
- I'm curious as to why you're changing the UUID format in nsIDtoChar, switching the positions of bytes in the UUID ?
+ uuidstrdst[0] = uuidstrsrc[6]; + uuidstrdst[1] = uuidstrsrc[7]; + uuidstrdst[2] = uuidstrsrc[4]; + uuidstrdst[3] = uuidstrsrc[5]; + uuidstrdst[4] = uuidstrsrc[2]; + uuidstrdst[5] = uuidstrsrc[3]; + uuidstrdst[6] = uuidstrsrc[0]; + uuidstrdst[7] = uuidstrsrc[1];
In vbox nsID is implemented as: struct nsID { PRUint32 m0; PRUint16 m1; PRUint16 m2; PRUint8 m3[8]; }; while in libvirt it is implemented as unsigned char uuid[16]; On little endian machines this creates byte swaps as shown above and thus the workaround. (The http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4122.txt , section 4.1.2 shows the layout and byte order)
- When creating virDomainPtr objects, rather than directly allocating them, and then setting the id, uuid, and name fields, we have a helper method in src/datatypes.h you can use:
virDomainPtr virGetDomain(virConnectPtr conn, const char *name, const unsigned char *uuid);
This avoids the need to worry about the fine details of the ref counting & caching associated with these objects. So generally shouldn't directly access the conn->domains hash table from driver code.
Will take care of this.
- The vboxGetDomainGetOSType() method shouldn't actually return the name of the guest operating system. This is one of the badly named libvirt methods. What it is actually intended for is to give the name of the guest operating system hypervisor ABI. Since VirtualBox is a fully-virtualized hypervisor, it should always just return 'hvm' for the OS type. - The vboxCapsInit() should also pass 'hvm' as the OS type field, rather than 'exe'which is for container based virt like OpenVZ. Also in that method, "sizeof(int) == 4 ? 32 : 8" - i think that 8 should probably be 64 :-) - In the vboxGetDomainDefineXML(), there's a couple of places accessing def->features bits - you could use the VIR_DOMAIN_FEATURE_* enums for those.
Will take care of this.
- Since VirtualBox is a local machine driver, there's probably no need to register virNetworkDriver, virStorageDriver, virDeviceMonitor driver structs with libvirt. Just let the generic shared implementation activate - we re-use this shared network & storage impl across all our drivers at this time.
Then again if the VirtualBox API provides explicit APIs for managing LVM, SCSI, iSCSI storage and NAT based networks, then perhaps it would be worth having an impl of these drivers for VirtualBox. I'd still just leave them out for now though, until the main VirtualBox hypervisor APIs are more developed.
for time being i will remove these.
All in all, it looks like you've got a pretty good understanding of what to do with VirtualBox for libvirt driver support. Look forward to seeing future versions of the patch...
Thanks for such verbose review. and yes, it is nice to work with the libvirt community, will post more when I get things working. Regards, -pritesh
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 06:59:56PM +0100, Florian Vichot wrote:
Is it possible to add a device for any type of domain that would correspond to a TAP device on the host, and would be seen as a regular ethernet interface with a specific MAC address in the virtualized domain ? The "raw" commands to achieve that in OpenVZ and Qemu, for example, are:
# kvm ... -net nic,macaddr=00:11:22:33:44:55 -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no # vzctl set 100 --netif_add eth0,00:11:22:33:44:55,tap0
Is that doable in every driver supported by libvirt ?
I'm not sure - it depends what you're doing with the TAP device on the host side of things ? We have two common network configs, 'shared physical device' where the guest TAP device (or equivalent) is bridged to a physiucal interface, and 'virtual network' where the guest TAP is connected to an isolated bridge and forwarded with masquarading, or isolated device where the guest TAP is connected to a bridge, but has no LAN access at all. These are supported in all drivers. There's a couple more network options but those aren't so widely supported http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsNICS http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking
Is the libvirtd daemon necessary for drivers other than Qemu ? I've been using the openvz driver alone for some tests (by connecting to "openvz:///system"), and yet I get warning messages:
# sudo ./hellolibvirt openvz:///system Attempting to connect to hypervisor libvir: Remote error : unable to connect to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory libvir: warning : Failed to find the network: Is the daemon running ? libvir: Remote error : unable to connect to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory libvir: Remote error : unable to connect to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory libvir: warning : Failed to find a node driver: Is the libvirtd daemon running ? Connected to hypervisor at "openvz:///system" Hypervisor: "OpenVZ" version: 3.0.22 There are 0 active and 1 inactive domains Inactive domains: 897 Disconnected from hypervisor
The libvirtd daemon is indeed not running, as I don't see why it should be: I thought it was only useful for qemu guests. Am I right ? What is the role of the daemon exactly ?
It provides the implementation for various parts of the API, specificaly the network driver, the storage driver, node device driver. Some of the hypervisor drivers also live in the daemon (QEMU & LXC). So it should be running at all times. It can also be configured to allow secure remote access with TLS/SSL and SASL authenticaiton.
Apparently the only way to start an OpenVZ domain is by specifying a template. Only problem is, when the VE is stopped, and undefined, all modifications are lost in the "private" file system of the VE (as it is deleted). The way we circumvented this in Hynesim is by specifying the - --private option to "vzctl create" instead of the --ostemplate one. That way one can specify a dir that will be used directly as the filesystem for the VE.
I was thinking maybe adding something along the lines of:
<filesystem type='directory'> <source name='/path/to/ve/filesystem' /> <target dir='/'/> </filesystem>
would do the trick. It looks simple enough to implement, so should I ?
Yes, seems like a good idea. We already support <filesystem type='directory'> for the LXC container driver, so it makes perfect sense to support it for OpenVZ too if its practical.
Is there support in libvirt of "cloning" (duplicating a VM disk /filesystem) ?
Not at this time, but it is on the todo list.
And last but not least, what are "node devices" ? The two pages about it are blank in the documentation. Are they the host machine, or a device of the host machine ?
They are APIs to let you query information about all devices present on the host node. eg, find out about PCI devices, USB devices, block devices, network interfaces, etc, etc. If you know the 'HAL' software, then it is basically doing the same thing. Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :|
I'm not sure - it depends what you're doing with the TAP device on the host side of things ?
The project I'm working on is an information system simulator. So I need virtual machines and virtual networks. I plan to use libvirt to provide the virtual machines, but even though I know libvirt provides virtual network facilities, the ones we developed are more adequate to what we need. So I need a way to "bridge" the network frames coming from the virtual machines into our "virtual networks". The way we do that using our current setup is by "sniffing" all traffic from TAP interface (that each corresponds to an "ethX" interface inside a guest) and injecting those frames inside our "virtual networks" to have those frames routed where necessary. So what I need is a TAP for each ethernet interface in each guest, and that's it. No bridge, no NAT. Just a one-to-one correspondence of guest "ethX" interfaces to host TAP interfaces. It seems to be what libvirt provides, but it always comes with a bridge. Is there a way to get the TAP without the bridge ?
It provides the implementation for various parts of the API, specificaly the network driver, the storage driver, node device driver. Some of the hypervisor drivers also live in the daemon (QEMU & LXC). So it should be running at all times.
It can also be configured to allow secure remote access with TLS/SSL and SASL authenticaiton.
Thank you for the clarification. I will start the daemon then :).
Yes, seems like a good idea. We already support <filesystem type='directory'> for the LXC container driver, so it makes perfect sense to support it for OpenVZ too if its practical.
Ok. Then I'll do that, and send a patch to the mailing list separately.
Is there support in libvirt of "cloning" (duplicating a VM disk /filesystem) ?
Not at this time, but it is on the todo list.
Too bad. I'll probably keep my ugly code for that until the API are added in libvirt, then I'll port what I have to libvirt.
They are APIs to let you query information about all devices present on the host node. eg, find out about PCI devices, USB devices, block devices, network interfaces, etc, etc. If you know the 'HAL' software, then it is basically doing the same thing.
Thank you for the explanation. Florian. PS: Sorry for the duplicate original email.
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:11:54PM +0100, Florian Vichot wrote:
I'm not sure - it depends what you're doing with the TAP device on the host side of things ?
The project I'm working on is an information system simulator. So I need virtual machines and virtual networks. I plan to use libvirt to provide the virtual machines, but even though I know libvirt provides virtual network facilities, the ones we developed are more adequate to what we need. So I need a way to "bridge" the network frames coming from the virtual machines into our "virtual networks". The way we do that using our current setup is by "sniffing" all traffic from TAP interface (that each corresponds to an "ethX" interface inside a guest) and injecting those frames inside our "virtual networks" to have those frames routed where necessary.
So what I need is a TAP for each ethernet interface in each guest, and that's it. No bridge, no NAT. Just a one-to-one correspondence of guest "ethX" interfaces to host TAP interfaces.
It seems to be what libvirt provides, but it always comes with a bridge. Is there a way to get the TAP without the bridge ?
I think you'd have to rely on the generic script capability, eg <interface type='ethernet'> <script path="/some/file"/> </interface> With that, QEMU / Xen will create the TAP device (or equivalent) and then run the script to configure it. You'd just provide a custom script todo whatever magic you desire with the TAP device. This is only supported in our Xen and QEMU drivers at this time, though it probably wouldn't be hard to implement it for OpenVZ / LXC / UML too. Regards, Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :|
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