10:39 a.m.
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 04:35:08PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 04:03:04PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert
wrote:
> * Daniel P. Berrange (berrange(a)redhat.com) wrote:
> > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:15:17AM -0400, Laine Stump wrote:
> > > On 05/19/2015 05:07 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:23:04AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > > >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 04:53:02PM +0800, Chen Fan wrote:
> > > >>> backgrond:
> > > >>> Live migration is one of the most important features of
virtualization technology.
> > > >>> With regard to recent virtualization techniques, performance
of network I/O is critical.
> > > >>> Current network I/O virtualization (e.g. Para-virtualized
I/O, VMDq) has a significant
> > > >>> performance gap with native network I/O. Pass-through network
devices have near
> > > >>> native performance, however, they have thus far prevented
live migration. No existing
> > > >>> methods solve the problem of live migration with pass-through
devices perfectly.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There was an idea to solve the problem in website:
> > > >>>
https://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2008/ols2008v2-pages-261-267.pdf
> > > >>> Please refer to above document for detailed information.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So I think this problem maybe could be solved by using the
combination of existing
> > > >>> technology. and the following steps are we considering to
implement:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - before boot VM, we anticipate to specify two NICs for
creating bonding device
> > > >>> (one plugged and one virtual NIC) in XML. here we can
specify the NIC's mac addresses
> > > >>> in XML, which could facilitate qemu-guest-agent to find
the network interfaces in guest.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - when qemu-guest-agent startup in guest it would send a
notification to libvirt,
> > > >>> then libvirt will call the previous registered initialize
callbacks. so through
> > > >>> the callback functions, we can create the bonding device
according to the XML
> > > >>> configuration. and here we use netcf tool which can
facilitate to create bonding device
> > > >>> easily.
> > > >> I'm not really clear on why libvirt/guest agent needs to be
involved in this.
> > > >> I think configuration of networking is really something that must
be left to
> > > >> the guest OS admin to control. I don't think the guest agent
should be trying
> > > >> to reconfigure guest networking itself, as that is inevitably
going to conflict
> > > >> with configuration attempted by things in the guest like
NetworkManager or
> > > >> systemd-networkd.
> > > > There should not be a conflict.
> > > > guest agent should just give NM the information, and have NM do
> > > > the right thing.
> > >
> > > That assumes the guest will have NM running. Unless you want to severely
> > > limit the scope of usefulness, you also need to handle systems that have
> > > NM disabled, and among those the different styles of system network
> > > config. It gets messy very fast.
> >
> > Also OpenStack already has a way to pass guest information about the
> > required network setup, via cloud-init, so it would not be interested
> > in any thing that used the QEMU guest agent to configure network
> > manager. Which is really just another example of why this does not
> > belong anywhere in libvirt or lower. The decision to use NM is a
> > policy decision that will always be wrong for a non-negligble set
> > of use cases and as such does not belong in libvirt or QEMU. It is
> > the job of higher level apps to make that kind of policy decision.
>
> This is exactly my worry though; why should every higher level management
> system have it's own way of communicating network config for hotpluggable
> devices. You shoudln't need to reconfigure a VM to move it between them.
>
> This just makes it hard to move it between management layers; there needs
> to be some standardisation (or abstraction) of this; if libvirt isn't the
place
> to do it, then what is?
NB, openstack isn't really defining a custom thing for networking here. It
is actually integrating with the standard cloud-init guest tools for this
task. Also note that OpenStack has defined a mechanism that works for
guest images regardless of what hypervisor they are running on - ie does
not rely on any QEMU or libvirt specific functionality here.
Regards,
Daniel
I'm not sure what the implication is. No new functionality should be
implemented unless we also add it to vmware? People that don't want kvm
specific functionality, won't use it.