Re: [libvirt] [PATCH v7 0/4] Add Mediated device support

> From: Alex Williamson [mailto:alex.williamson@redhat.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:17 AM > > Hi folks, > > At KVM Forum we had a BoF session primarily around the mediated device > sysfs interface. I'd like to share what I think we agreed on and the > "problem areas" that still need some work so we can get the thoughts > and ideas from those who weren't able to attend. > > DanPB expressed some concern about the mdev_supported_types sysfs > interface, which exposes a flat csv file with fields like "type", > "number of instance", "vendor string", and then a bunch of type > specific fields like "framebuffer size", "resolution", "frame rate > limit", etc. This is not entirely machine parsing friendly and sort of > abuses the sysfs concept of one value per file. Example output taken > from Neo's libvirt RFC: > > cat /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:86:00.0/mdev_supported_types > # vgpu_type_id, vgpu_type, max_instance, num_heads, frl_config, framebuffer, > max_resolution > 11 ,"GRID M60-0B", 16, 2, 45, 512M, 2560x1600 > 12 ,"GRID M60-0Q", 16, 2, 60, 512M, 2560x1600 > 13 ,"GRID M60-1B", 8, 2, 45, 1024M, 2560x1600 > 14 ,"GRID M60-1Q", 8, 2, 60, 1024M, 2560x1600 > 15 ,"GRID M60-2B", 4, 2, 45, 2048M, 2560x1600 > 16 ,"GRID M60-2Q", 4, 4, 60, 2048M, 2560x1600 > 17 ,"GRID M60-4Q", 2, 4, 60, 4096M, 3840x2160 > 18 ,"GRID M60-8Q", 1, 4, 60, 8192M, 3840x2160 > > The create/destroy then looks like this: > > echo "$mdev_UUID:vendor_specific_argument_list" > > /sys/bus/pci/devices/.../mdev_create > > echo "$mdev_UUID:vendor_specific_argument_list" > > /sys/bus/pci/devices/.../mdev_destroy > > "vendor_specific_argument_list" is nebulous. > > So the idea to fix this is to explode this into a directory structure, > something like: > > ├── mdev_destroy > └── mdev_supported_types > ├── 11 > │ ├── create > │ ├── description > │ └── max_instances > ├── 12 > │ ├── create > │ ├── description > │ └── max_instances > └── 13 > ├── create > ├── description > └── max_instances > > Note that I'm only exposing the minimal attributes here for simplicity, > the other attributes would be included in separate files and we would > require vendors to create standard attributes for common device classes. I like this idea. All standard attributes are reflected into this hierarchy. In the meantime, can we still allow optional vendor string in create interface? libvirt doesn't need to know the meaning, but allows upper layer to do some vendor specific tweak if necessary.

> > For vGPUs like NVIDIA where we don't support multiple types > concurrently, this directory structure would update as mdev devices are > created, removing no longer available types. I carried forward or keep the type with max_instances cleared to ZERO.

> max_instances here, but perhaps we really want to copy SR-IOV and > report a max and current allocation. Creation and deletion is right, cur/max_instances look reasonable. > simplified as we can simply "echo $UUID > create" per type. I don't > understand why destroy had a parameter list, so here I imagine we can > simply do the same... in fact, I'd actually rather see a "remove" sysfs > entry under each mdev device, so we remove it at the device rather than > in some central location (any objections?). OK to me.

> We discussed how this might look with Intel devices which do allow > mixed vGPU types concurrently. We believe, but need confirmation, that > the vendor driver could still make a finite set of supported types, > perhaps with additional module options to the vendor driver to enable > more "exotic" types. So for instance if IGD vGPUs are based on > power-of-2 portions of the framebuffer size, then the vendor driver > could list types with 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, etc in useful and popular > sizes. As vGPUs are allocated, the larger sizes may become unavailable. Yes, Intel can do such type of definition. One thing I'm not sure is about impact cross listed types, i.e. when creating a new instance under a given type, max_instances under other types would be dynamically decremented based on available resource. Would it be a problem for libvirt or upper level stack, since a natural interpretation of max_instances should be a static number? An alternative is to make max_instances configurable, so libvirt has chance to define a pool of available instances with different types before creating any instance. For example, initially IGD driver may report max_instances only for a minimal sharing granularity: 128MB: max_instances (8) 256MB: max_instances (0) 512MB: max_instances (0) Then libvirt can configure more types as: 128MB: max_instances (2) 256MB: max_instances (1) 512MB: max_instances (1) Starting from this point, max_instances would be static and then mdev instance can be created under each type. But I'm not sure whether such additional configuration role is reasonable to libvirt... > > We still don't have any way for the admin to learn in advance how the > available supported types will change once mdev devices start to be > created. I'm not sure how we can create a specification for this, so > probing by creating devices may be the most flexible model. > > The other issue is the start/stop requirement, which was revealed to > setup peer-to-peer resources between vGPUs which is a limited hardware > resource. We'd really like to have these happen automatically on the > first open of a vfio mdev device file and final release. So we > brainstormed how the open/release callbacks could know the other mdev > devices for a given user. This is where the instance number came into > play previously. This is an area that needs work. IGD doesn't have such peer-to-peer resource setup requirement. So it's sufficient to create/destroy a mdev instance in a single action on IGD. However I'd expect we still keep the "start/stop" interface ( maybe not exposed as sysfs node, instead being a VFIO API), as required to support future live migration usage. We've made prototype working for KVMGT today.

> > There was a thought that perhaps on open() the vendor driver could look > at the user pid and use that to associate with other devices, but the > problem here is that we open and begin access to each device, so > devices do this discovery serially rather than in parallel as desired. > (we might not fault in mmio space yet though, so I wonder if open() > could set the association of mdev to pid, then the first mmio fault > would trigger the resource allocation? Then all the "magic" would live > in the vendor driver. open() could fail if the pid already has running > mdev devices and the vendor driver chooses not to support hotplug) > > One comment was that for a GPU that only supports homogeneous vGPUs, > libvirt may choose to create all the vGPUs in advance and handle them > as we do SR-IOV VFs. The UUID+instance model would preclude such a use > case. > > We also considered whether iommu groups could be (ab)used for this use > case, peer-to-peer would in fact be an iommu grouping constraint > afterall. This would have the same UUID+instance constraint as above > though and would require some sort of sysfs interface for the user to > be able to create multiple mdevs within a group. > > Everyone was given homework to think about this on their flights home, > so I expect plenty of ideas by now ;) > > Overall I think mediated devices were well received by the community, > so let's keep up the development and discussion to bring it to > fruition. Thanks, Thanks a lot Alex for your help on driving this discussion. Mediated device technique has the potential to be used for other type of I/O virtualizations in the future, not limited to GPU virtualization. So getting the core framework ready earlier would be highly welcomed. :-)