Re: [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] numa: deprecate 'mem' parameter of '-numa node' option
[Thanks Igor for bringing this onto my radar. I don't follow qemu-devel
that close]
On 3/4/19 11:19 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 08:13:53AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange(a)redhat.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 06:33:28PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 15:49:47 +0000
>>> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 04:42:15PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote:
>>>>> The parameter allows to configure fake NUMA topology where guest
>>>>> VM simulates NUMA topology but not actually getting a performance
>>>>> benefits from it. The same or better results could be achieved
>>>>> using 'memdev' parameter. In light of that any VM that uses
NUMA
>>>>> to get its benefits should use 'memdev' and to allow
transition
>>>>> initial RAM to device based model, deprecate 'mem' parameter
as
>>>>> its ad-hoc partitioning of initial RAM MemoryRegion can't be
>>>>> translated to memdev based backend transparently to users and in
>>>>> compatible manner (migration wise).
>>>>>
>>>>> That will also allow to clean up a bit our numa code, leaving only
>>>>> 'memdev' impl. in place and several boards that use node_mem
>>>>> to generate FDT/ACPI description from it.
>>>>
>>>> Can you confirm that the 'mem' and 'memdev' parameters
to -numa
>>>> are 100% live migration compatible in both directions ? Libvirt
>>>> would need this to be the case in order to use the 'memdev'
syntax
>>>> instead.
>>> Unfortunately they are not migration compatible in any direction,
>>> if it where possible to translate them to each other I'd alias
'mem'
>>> to 'memdev' without deprecation. The former sends over only one
>>> MemoryRegion to target, while the later sends over several (one per
>>> memdev).
>>
>> If we can't migration from one to the other, then we can not deprecate
>> the existing 'mem' syntax. Even if libvirt were to provide a config
>> option to let apps opt-in to the new syntax, we need to be able to
>> support live migration of existing running VMs indefinitely. Effectively
>> this means we need the to keep 'mem' support forever, or at least such
>> a long time that it effectively means forever.
I'm with Daniel on this. The reason why libvirt still defaults to '-numa
node,mem=' is exactly because of backward compatibility. Since a machine
can't be migrated from '-numa node,mem=' to '-numa node,memdev= +
-object memory-backend-*' libvirt hast to play it safe and chose a
combination that is acessible the widest.
If you remove this, how would you expect older machines to migrate to
newer cmd line?
I'm all for deprecating old stuff. In fact, I've suggested that in
libvirt(!) here and there, but I'm afraid we can't just remove
functionatlity unless we give users a way to migrate to the one we
prefer now.
And if libvirt doesn't follow qemu's warnings then it definitely should.
It's a libvirt bug if it doesn't follow the best practicies (well, if can).
Michal