Re: [PATCH 3/3] qemu-img: Deprecate use of -b without -F

On 2/24/20 5:38 AM, Peter Krempa wrote: > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 05:23:41 -0600, Eric Blake wrote: > > Creating an image that requires format probing of the backing image is > > inherently unsafe (we've had several CVEs over the years based on > > probes leaking information to the guest on a subsequent boot). If our > > probing algorithm ever changes, or if other tools like libvirt > > determine a different probe result than we do, then subsequent use of > > that backing file under a different format will present corrupted data > > to the guest. Start a deprecation clock so that future qemu-img can > > refuse to create unsafe backing chains that would rely on probing. > > > > However, there is one time where probing is safe: when we first create > > an image, no guest has yet used the new image, so as long as we record > > what we probed, all future uses of the image will see the same data - > > I disagree. If you are creating an overlay on top of an existing image > it's not safe to probe the format any more generally. (obviously you'd > have to trust the image and express the trust somehow) > > The image may have been used in a VM as raw and that means that the VM > might have recorded a valid qcow2 header into it. Creating the overlay > with probing would legitimize this. > > Let's assume we have a malicious image written by the guest but we > simulate it by: > > b) Now with this patchset: > > $ ./qemu-img create -f qcow2 -b /tmp/malicious /tmp/post-patch.qcow2 > qemu-img: warning: Deprecated use of non-raw backing file without explicit backing format, using detected format of qcow2 > Formatting '/tmp/post-patch.qcow2', fmt=qcow2 size=2560 backing_file=/tmp/malicious backing_fmt=qcow2 cluster_size=65536 lazy_refcounts=off refcount_bits=16 > > You now get a warning, but "backing file format" is now recorded in the > overlay. Now this is WAY worse than it was before. The overlay now > legitimizes the format recorded by the malicious guest which circumvents > libvirt's protections. The warning is very easy to miss, and if you run > it in scripts you might never get to see it. We can't allow that. Good point. I'll respin this series where v2 never writes the implicit format except for a raw image (because probing raw is not only safe to record, but also prevents the guest from ever changing that probe, and the real risk we are interested in preventing is when a formerly raw image later probes as non-raw). > > > > so the code now records the probe results as if the user had passed > > -F. When this happens, it is unconditionally safe to record a probe > > of 'raw', but any other probe is still worth warning the user in case > > While it's safe I don't think it should be encouraged. IMO -F should be > made mandatory with -b. Making it mandatory will require the completion of the deprecation period. For 5.0 and 5.1, the best we can do is the warning, but for 5.2 (assuming v2 of this series is acceptable), it WILL become a hard error.